Joseph-Nicolas Robert-Fleury's 1833 painting portraying the assassination of Brion, Tutor to the Prince of Conti, at the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre
Read the Edict of Nantes. How does this document relate to the Protestant Reformation? How does it compare to the Peace of Augusburg 1555?
Read William of Orange's Apology How does this document differ from the Edict of Nantes? How does it help to show the relationship between power and religious (church and state) in the Netherlands?
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The Edict of Nantes related to the protestant reformation because it ended the fighting of catholics and protestants in France, like how the Peace of Augsburg ended the fighting between Catholics and Protestants in the HRE. The Edict of Nantes made Catholicism the national religion of France, but protestantism was still tolerated. This differs from the Peace of Augsburg, which let the king of each state in the HRE choose protestantism or catholicism the religion of the state. France was much more unified than the HRE also. The Edict of Nantes tolerated protestantism, but there were still many regulations on protestantism. Basically, the French were allowed to worship the protestant faith, but they could not teach or spread the word of it.
ReplyDeleteWilliam of Orange's apology differs from the Edict of Nantes because the Edict of Nantes declared catholicism the national religion of France, while William Of Orange has total religious freedom in the Netherlands. William is very open and does not intermingle the church and the state. William states how he does not like the sight of burning christians at the stake, and how the spaniards seem to love it.
ReplyDeleteThe edict of nantes granted freedom of religion to protestants in France except Paris. this relates to the protestant reformation in that the protestant reformation stressed religious freedom from the Catholic Church. With the edict of nantes people now had religious liberties to worship their protestant religion while deviating away from the Catholic Church. the scenario is much like the many of the protestants within the reformation who claimed their religious liberties and started their own religion because they did not want to abide by the Catholic church. The peace of Augsburg allowed protestant rule if the ruler of the state was protestant, so this also goes along with the edict of nantes in that it does allow protestant rule within France, and as George said although the peace of Augsburg did allow protestant rule, it still did focus on Catholicism as the protestant faith was not allowed to be spread. The edict of Nantes also indirectly favored Catholicism in that it allowed Paris to only by a Catholic worshiping city.
ReplyDeleteWilliam of Oranges apology differs from the edict of nantes because the edict of nantes merely says that protestant religion can be tolerated while William's apology is mainly stating that he was not wrong to provide religious freedom by starting a revolt. In Williams case no religion was tolerated so he revolted in the edict of nantes a different religion was tolerated such as Protestantism so no revolt was needed. William of Orange showed that a high ranking official most likely has the same religious views as his people, which helped him began the Dutch Revolt. and so the power and religion in the Netherlands often coincided.
ReplyDeleteThe Edict of Nantes was issued in 1598 by Henry Navarre in an effort to end the French Wars on Religion. While these wars were essentially fought by the opposing French Protestants and Catholics, the wars began due to political disagreements among the noble class and monarchy. Still, the Edict of Nantes relates to the Protestant reformation because, while the document reaffirms that France is a Catholic Nation, it also affords more political and civil rights to French Protestants. In this way, the Edict of Nantes is similar to Charles V's Peace of Augsburg. This treaty was a result of the Protestant Reformation earlier in the German states which gave more rights to the Protestants living there. Unlike the Edict of Nantes, the Peace of Augsburg allowed German princes to decide upon the religion of that princ'e's state, whether it be Catholic or Lutheran. Both the Edict of Nantes and the Peace of Augsburg demonstrate the extent to which the Protestant Reformation affected Europe, both religiously and politically.
ReplyDeleteThe Edict of Nantes was intended to end the French Wars on Religion. Comparing to the Protestant Reformation, the edict granted a measure of religious freedom to Henry IV's Protestant subjects, the Huguenots. It granted them full civil rights and forbade religious persecution of Protestants. Also Protestants were able to hold public worship in most parts of the kingdom, excluding Paris. However, the edict restored Catholicism in several areas, reaffirming Catholicism as France's established religion. Just like the the Peace of Augsburg acknowledged Lutheranism, the Edict of Nantes recognized Protestantism as a legitimate religion that should be afforded more rights.
ReplyDeleteWilliam of Orange issued his Apology in 1581 to justify his revolt against King Phillip II of Spain. The document differs from the Edict of Nantes because the Edict was created to end tensions between different religious groups and nobles, while the Apology rationalizes them, at least concerning the disagreements between Spain and the Netherlands. Also, while the Edict allowed for more religious toleration, in the Apology William states that he started the revolt to give his people religious freedom. The Apology shows that while the Netherlands may not have related the power of the church and state as closely as other European nations, religion still heavily influenced the nation's citizens and government.
ReplyDeleteThe Edict of Nantes declared the Catholic church the church of France. It also forbid people from messing with catholics because of their faith. They did allow protestantism to be practiced everywhere but Paris and territories beyond the mountains. They did this to avoid fighting in France. They also made sure both Catholics and Protestants where treated fairly and given the same treatment at schools and hospitals.
ReplyDeleteWilliam of Orange's Apology (1581) rationalizes his resolve to oppose the policies of King Philip II of Spain. He was against the slaughter of innocent Protestants. His anger towards the Protestants' persecution led him towards an unsuccessful revolt. William supports his reasons for revolt as a means of achieving religious freedom in his Apology. However, the Edict of Nantes was issued to prevent revolt since King Henry did not believe war would resolve religious differences.
ReplyDeleteWilliam of Orange apology says how he was securing the rights of his oppressed people under Spain. He is justifying his reason for doing what he has done unlike the Edict of Nantes which just tells how its gonna be. William explains how he is not a hypocrite because he warned Spain this was going to happen when they started persecuting people. William also explains how he does not like to torture people unlike the Spaniards and the Duke of Alva. He sees what he has done as doing what is right for his people.
ReplyDeleteThe Edict of Nantes was Henry IV's way to try and end the feud and fighting between Protestants and Catholics. It compares to the Peace of Augsburg becaue it to was an attempt tocome to a compromise on religon. Catholicsim would be the main reilgon but allowed prodestantism to be practiced in certain areas where it was tolerated. Now the prodestants wouldnt be looked at as heretics. I found it interesting that they even made a point to say they would punish anyone who tried to take children and force their conversion to another religon. Nevertheless, it was much resented by Pope Clement VIII, by the Roman Catholic clergy in France, and by the parlements.
ReplyDeleteWilliam's apology was his attempt to explain his reasons for Revolt against King Phillip II of Spain. He gives reasons such as how he was against the killing of the innocent protestants and the Spaniards were for it. William was revolting to try and get religous freedom for the people. This shows how religon influenced the people as it was the main reason for this unsuccessful revolt. It differs ffom the Edict of Nantes because it was dealing with revolting while the edict of nantes was trying to end religous differences. The edict of nantes called for toleration of prostestnats while william was trying to gain religous freedom.
ReplyDeleteThe edict of Nantes is similar to the peace of Augsburg in the way that it began to give freedoms to the Protestants the edict of Nantes also was a big step forward for the French Protestants because it gave them not only the ability to worship in their own way but it have them the ability to hold political office.
ReplyDeleteWilliam of orange in his apology tells the reasons that he was involved in the revolt against the Spanish telling that he was fighting for all of the Christians that have been persecuted and killed by the Spanish he goes on to say that if they wish to kill or exile him for their benifet then they should do it. This differs from the edict if Nantes because William was attempting to gain only complete religious freedom an not to simply be accepted by the government he wanted a complete break away and his own country.
ReplyDeleteIn William of Orange's apology he states that he doesnt feel that he did anything wrong by allowing religious freedom in the Netherlands. He says," If, then, gentlemen, you believe that my exile, or even my death, may serve you, i am ready to obey your behests." This quote shows that William of Orange was able to put the good of the state and the good of the people in front of his own wants and needs. He offers his life to his people if they think that is what needs to be done.
ReplyDeleteThe Edict of Nantes starts out praising God for giving them strength to be able to survive the wars. Then it states that everyone will act like the wars never happened. Then, it says the Catholic religion is the main religion, however, Protestants were allowed to worship how they wanted and they were granted all their civil liberties. The "reformed" could not print and sell books about their religion and it restricted them from spreading the word about their religion.
ReplyDeleteIn the William of Orange's apology he states how he will oppose the Spanish king's policies. William and the Duke of Alva were sent as hostages to France to fulfill the Treaty of Cateau-Cambrésis after the Hispano-French War. William and Alva discussed how the Catholic kings of Spain(Phillip) and France(Henry) were planning on exterminating the Protestants in both France and the Netherlands. William decided to no longer stay silent while they slaughtered many innocent Protestants.
ReplyDeleteHenry IV was determined to end the conflict between the Huguenots and Catholics so he enacted the Edict of Nantes. The document starts with thanking God for helping get through the chaos that was happening in France at the time (Catholic and Huguenots frequently murdering one another). Then in the document that stated that all the rampant murders will be as though they never happened and will move on. Thirdly states that Catholicism is the national religion of France and they shall be allowed to worship freely. However it also says that to avoid conflict it would allow the Reformed (Huguenots) to worship freely as well and would be given civil liberties as well. Despite being able to worship freely they were still restricted, they could not have Protestant schools to educate children, and they could not print and sell books outside of their dominions. However both sides could not forcefully baptize children from the other side without the parent's consent. A similar treaty was made by his brother-in-law Henry III however the difference between the two is that Henry III was too weak to enforce the treaty and was forced to take it back to please the Catholics. The Edict of Nantes was later revoked by Henry IV grandson Louis XIV.
ReplyDeleteWilliam's Apology focuses on the fallacies in the reasoning behind the Spanish Inquisition and how the Spaniards falsely accuse him of being a hypocrite, heretic, criminal, and other disliked titles. He also expresses his commitment to his home country and states that, if the Spaniards believe the can silence him by exiling or executing him, they are sadly mistaken. William discusses all of the dishonorable acts executed by the Inquisition, specifically the murdering of thousands of non-Catholics.
ReplyDeleteThe Edict of Nantes' main similarities to the Protestant Reformation is simply the fact the Edict greatly boosted Protestant power and morale. Although the Edict made Catholicism the official language of France, it also set a standard or religious tolerance towards Protestants and specifically French Huguenots. The Edict gave the Protestants new power and freedoms previously limited to only Catholics, most important being the right to hold public office. The Edict also increased Protestant support in France, leading the immense support received by Henry Navarre when he became King Henry IV following the death of his brother-in-law Henry III.
ReplyDeleteThe Edict of Nantes said that the main religion of France would be Catholic, but it was still okay to be Protestant. This differed from the Peace of Augsburg because the Peace of Augsburg declared whatever religion the prince was, that was the religion of the state in which he ruled.
ReplyDeleteWilliam of Orange's apology letter was written in response to the Spanish Inquisition. The Inquisition had falsely accused him of being a heretic and a criminal. He explains that he is not going to back down because of fear of the Inquisition. He proves he is loyal to his country and explains the unlawful acts of the Inquisition.
ReplyDeleteIn the Edict of Nantes in the VI statement it says that the said religion, Protestantism, can worship their religion and can live in the cities without being annoyed or made to do anything in the matter of the other religion. This selection and the Edict of Nantes is related to the Protestant reformation, because in the Protestant reformation Protestantism was fighting the main Catholicism. Finally after the rulers got fed up and gave up on the fight in Spain and the Holy Roman Empire they both said that the protestants could have their freedom. It compares with the peace of Augsburg in that these both said that the protestants could worship freely.
ReplyDeleteIn the apology of William of orange, is the apology actually a apology or is he trying to say that they Spanish are wrong and that there should be religious freedom for all? This statement by William is different from the Edict of Nantes, because in the Edict of Nantes it says that even though you can worship freely and won't be harmed, if you step over the line, trouble will come. In Williams statement he says that even though the Spanish are accusing him, because of what he believes, he still wants to have that freedom of religion and to stop all the innocent Christians to stopping being killed.
ReplyDeleteThe Edict of Nantes was a religious peace deal to end a sectarian conflict. It established Catholicism as the state religion but tolerated the Calvinist minority. The wars were of a result of power hungry French nobles wanting more power at the expense of the Valois kings. So in reality religion masqueraded the real issue
ReplyDeleteWilliam of Orange's Apology is not so much an apology but an explanation for his rebellion against the Spanish hegemony. The dutch revolted for independance first and religious differences second. Religion is commonly used as an excuse for violence and we still see it today in the middle east and somalia
ReplyDeleteContempararies thought very highly of William of Orange, this is a quote by Dr. Wilson to Lord Burleigh, 3rd December 1576, "“The Prince is a rare man, of great authoritie, universally beloved, verie wyse in resolution in all things, and voyd of pretences, and that which is worthie of speciall prayse in hym, he is not dismayed with any loss, or adversitie.”
ReplyDeleteNice quote here. Need to do some analysis. It isn't enough to give a quote, you need to tie it in with the document. How does this document maybe explain why he stood up to the Spanish ?
Delete"It is a wonder I am alive with such work as I have," he wrote at the time. "God have pity upon me and show me mercy, blessing my labors, as He does in spite of many folks. I am well, and my affairs are going well. I have taken Eu. The enemy, who are double me just now, thought to catch me there; but I drew off towards Dieppe, and I await them in a camp that I am fortifying. To-morrow will be the day when I shall see them, and [199] I hope, with God's help, that if they attack me they will find they have made a bad bargain." -King Henry the fourth of Nivarre, the writer of the edict of Nantes. I believe when he talks about how his enemies doubled, he is talking about the Catholics. Many think he converted strictly to make people happy, which in the end turned many against him. He tried to play both sides, Protestant and catholic.
ReplyDeleteMany of you simply repeated what George said. Make sure that you read what others are saying and remember you can add to and comment directly on the other posts in order to get full credit.
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Mr. Farmer
The Edict of Nantes established Catholocism as the main religion of France. Protestants were no longer to be persecuted, and their worship was now tolerated. Protestants were given civil liberties, and could hold public office. The Edict of Nantes ended the religious wars in Europe as a way of compromise.
ReplyDeleteWilliam of Orange uses his apology to clear his name of heresy and other detrimental accusations. He questioned the inquisition and excited revolt against Phillip II. He could no longer hold his tounge and stated that he did not like burning and murderring Protestants like the Spanisrds. He believed in total religious freedom with no established religion. The Netherlands supported more of seperation of church and state whereas France was Catholic.
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